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Re: [Tapestry Central] Caught between Two IDEs

Joachim Van der Auwera

2009-07-04

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For IntelliJ IDEA, have you looked at the KnownIssues file? It contains
some possible causes of slowness which mey be worth looking at.

Kind regards,
Joachim

Howard wrote:
> I seem to be caught between two IDEs: Eclipse and IntelliJ. I abandoned
> Eclipse a couple of years back, partly based on wide spread
> recommendations from many different people, and partly because Eclipse
> just stopped working for me (it crashed out).
> After I got started with IntelliJ I started to appreciate its merits,
> despite a generally clunky interface (with lots of modal windows),
> truly awful documentation. Many things are streamlined and only a
> ctrl-alt-shift-coke-bottle-touch-your-nose away.
> However, over time, using IntelliJ got slower and slower and slower. It
> also started running the Tapestry test suite horrifically slowly: 40
> minutes and up (it should be about five). It would often go away, even
> when memory wasn't tight. Indexing? Checking Repositories? Computing
> primes? No way to tell.
> Meanwhile, Eclipse has been moving forward, with Eclipse Galileo being
> a Cocoa (not a Carbon) application. Critical plugins such as M2Eclipse
> have gotten nice, and the Clojure plugin is mostly better than the
> IntelliJ one (though both are very early).
> For a while I was using IntelliJ when teaching Tapestry (as part of the
> VMWare image I use when training) ... and I got a lot of resistance.
> People were much happier with Eclipse on the last couple of go-rounds,
> and I'm sticking with it.
> Overall, I'm feeling that most of what I've grown used to in IntelliJ
> is present in Eclipse, just handled a bit differently. The Clojure
> plugins are a wash; IntelliJ has the edge on the Git plugin. I think
> Subversion inside Eclipse is actually better.
> I've even cranked up NetBeans but didn't find anything there compelling
> enough to switch.
> It seems like all my major tools (Firefox, Firebug, Eclipse, IntelliJ)
> are in the habit of growing too complex, and doing too much stuff in
> the background that I don't care about. All those intentions in
> IntelliJ that you have to turn off (for performance reasons), and all
> those extra plugins for Eclipse that you need to not download in the
> first place ... they're all getting in my way.
> I think a lot of this falls into the general category of accidental
> complexity ... to address the limitations of the Java programming
> language, all this extra stuff is coming into play: tools and wizards
> and plugins and indexes and whatnot. I find it pretty pleasant to work
> with Clojure instead, where the accidental complexity of Java is
> managed and isolated and the IDE doesn't feel the need to be overly
> ambitious. That's the Clojure concept right there ... grow the language
> to your needs, rather than building up tools. I think that's the
> Tapestry ethic as well.
>
> --
> Posted By Howard to Tapestry Central at 7/02/2009 01:10:00 PM
>  


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Joachim Van der Auwera
PROGS bvba, progs.be


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